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PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#11 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:11 am

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So far seems good given what happened this wipe. Putting aside the fact numbers in general for ark are dropping across the board, here's my thoughts:
    1) Removing ORP seems like a good call. While good in theory, it had heaps of bugs.
    2) Given the clientel so to speak on Munkis' servers, going back to weekend raids is a good move. Either that, or have ORP at full protection (I had tossed and turned over that side of things especially in previous threads on the topic, but given the raids styles we'd been seeing that is my current view). My only issue with orp being full protection in the past was my concern of combat logging abuse of defenders (which to my understanding isn't as bad as I thought considering I think there wasn't only a timer on it, but it wouldn't kick in if there were enemies in the bubble or debre).
    3) Increasing the structure hp is also something I'm for so that base raiding is still possible, but hopefully encourages more open world pvp. One thing I need to say again though: raid playstyle is still something to consider in terms of what kills it for some (especially smaller players) and leads them to rage quit. What I mean by this is that when someone logs in to find their fabby blown as well as their vault and defences, that can be shrugged off as a 'oh well, I've been hit'. They are more likely to rebuild after that. But to log in and find EVERYTHING blown, just because the raiders wanted to check 'just in case' there was loot hidden in that small wooden box beside the phiomia and the garden, then they are more likely to just give up because all of their stuff is gone. This is especially the case if they actually did rebuild after a hit like that only to be hit again in a short period of time. I know some raiders will argue that there can be good blueprints hidden in 'weak' places like wooden boxes out in the open, but the reality is that the mentality to check 'just in case' is what resulted in the smaller/medium guys getting cleared out then just not bothering to stick around. It's a playstyle that raiders who choose to pvp on munkis servers need to accept when raiding small to medium tier bases.
    4) Never used the protect passives mod. Seems good in theory but I don't know much about it and therefore can think of some possible abuse: pvpers whistling passive mid combat to save their dinos, using a passive dino to drain turrets, etc.

Gambit wrote:Possibly higher maturation so people put less value into dinos when they can be easily replaced!

Maybe remove a map from the cluster. (Less spread out numbers)
Personally thinking centre due to how broken it is lol

Edit: 3 or 4 man tribes would be great!


    5) Higher maturation rates certainly would encourage people to be less precious of their dinos I think. However there is a chance that might screw the imprinting values unless Munki wants to make imprinting even easier (can you imagine gigas only needing 2-4 imprints O.o). It would also speed up tek progression for tribes I imagine as they could stat farm and breed rex lines up quicker. Got some good pros and possible cons.
    6) Removing a map... my issue is which one? Island: sentimental and doesn't require an extra download. Centre: buggy yes, also has jumping puzzle... Scorched Earth: - it' hot.... :P Ragnarok: A few bugs, but seems popular, has dinos from both SE and Island and... griffins!
    7) I'd also see smaller tribes as a possible good thing to even the playing field so to speak... especially since there's nothing stopping alliances still.

Extra point:
8) If we go back to weekend raids: someone suggested ages back to change the time from 'weekend protect' to 'raid weekend' from midnight to 5am. I would support this, as in the past players have been accused of 'camping' bases and hitting them just after it rolled over after midnight. Making it kick in at 5am would hopefully deter this (or at least deter the accusations) as raiders would have to get up VERY early to hit their target in this way instead of just staying up late which most players seem to find easier :P


Removing ORP2 mod is a good move. Personally i think having full offline raid protection(even though it has its flaws) is the way to go. Having the Raiding on the weekend and having the increased HP on structures is good sadly it wont stop people waiting late on friday/saturday morning to raid people while are offline. I know there was a few cases of that happening before PvP cluster was a thing.
The main reason i left the PvP cluster was i was in a 2 person tribe we got raided which was fair game but it was while we were offline and we got into the "rebuild process" and every time we logged off we got hit by someone even though they could see that we rebuilding had no defenses come in kill us while we are asleep and destroy our doors and beds and putting us back to square one and we got sick of that happening all the time. I think the big is for me personally if we are getting raided while online it gives us a chance to fight back and defend our stuff and if we lose well its fair game then.

As for tribes i was for bigger tribes at the start of cluster but now im more towards smaller tribes would make things interesting.

As for removing a map the centre is unpopular i believe due to how annoying it is to get around the map seeing how its basically all islands all over the place. I have played on other mod maps but a lot would be annoying without the classic flyer mod just due to the size of most of the other maps.

I all for faster breeding yes it would effect some dinos but for bigger dinos like rexes etc there is nothing worse then waiting hour/s to get out of baby phase and the imprinting every 3 hrs is pretty unhealthy and a giant pain in the ass if you have a job/family.

Anyways thats just my 2 cents.

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#12 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:19 am

Everything looks good Munki!

But I beg you to keep it to only TWO maps. You can rotate the map changes each wipe to keep it interesting.

We just dont have the player population to keep it to 3/4 maps.

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#13 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:43 pm

Been doing some researching on the breeding maturation front so Munki doesn't have to mess around with timers too much. Found an excellent spreadsheet i will be reviewing a bit more to then give some recommendations.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/di ... 775/?ctp=3

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#14 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:03 pm

TheWrongAlex wrote:Been doing some researching on the breeding maturation front so Munki doesn't have to mess around with timers too much. Found an excellent spreadsheet i will be reviewing a bit more to then give some recommendations.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/di ... 775/?ctp=3



Now this link looks familiar XD (sorry, the has come up on previous threads before regarding breeding)

As for what Stick has brought up: if we reduced it to two maps can I suggest a couple of things to consider:
1) Can one of those two maps always be the island? Simply due to the fact it won't isolate players who haven't downloaded the extra maps and does have a nostalgic factor
2) Ragnarok is free, has Scorched Earth dinos, dinos you can't get on other maps (griffins), and despite having a few bugs is popular with good loot/ cave options and is being further developed meaning when new parts of the map arrive in later patches it'll hopefully encourage players and greater interest whenever those updates arrive
3) If we don't include SE in the cluster I am also aware however that a mod may be then needed to allow the SE engrams and the manticore may not be available. If Ragnarok is not included, then maybe a poll to see if people want a griffin spawn mod for island or SE?

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#15 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:36 pm

Builder wrote:As for what Stick has brought up: if we reduced it to two maps can I suggest a couple of things to consider:
1) Can one of those two maps always be the island? Simply due to the fact it won't isolate players who haven't downloaded the extra maps and does have a nostalgic factor
2) Ragnarok is free, has Scorched Earth dinos, dinos you can't get on other maps (griffins), and despite having a few bugs is popular with good loot/ cave options and is being further developed meaning when new parts of the map arrive in later patches it'll hopefully encourage players and greater interest whenever those updates arrive
3) If we don't include SE in the cluster I am also aware however that a mod may be then needed to allow the SE engrams and the manticore may not be available. If Ragnarok is not included, then maybe a poll to see if people want a griffin spawn mod for island or SE?


At this stage only TheCentre would be removed as its redundant... all other maps offer something.
the main reason why i included them was so people could go there when they had issues with spawns on other maps.
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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#16 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:36 pm

DrunkMunki wrote:... i could replace it with a different non standard map, any suggestions?


I would ask that if it's going to be dropped, it's dropped and not replaced. One of the issues was that players were too spread out for a "pvp" cluster imo

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#17 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:41 pm

Being a solo player I didn't think it would be possible I have obtained 2 wyverns a griffin and everything a player could be satisfied with. I've met some awesome people on here whilst playing and have come across genuine and nice so thank you to whomever I have crossed paths with :)

I enjoy this server so much so I'm staying whether it be with a tribe this time or solo.
Anyways... I play as often as I can and no one plays on The Center Map anymore i'm always on and thats where im based it's so dead... like zilch activity. Though I have been enjoying it still. Looking forward to another challenge! :)

By the way people help me out here... If I got a PS4 version of this game would i still be able to play on these servers? Just curious...

Thanks.

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#18 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:46 pm

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Welcome Jupiter :D To answer your question about getting the PS4 version; to my knowledge the answer is no at this point in time. And personally, I don't think I'd want to play Ark on console. Some games just seem way better suited to PC.

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#19 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:50 pm

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Welcome Jupiter :D To answer your question about getting the PS4 version; to my knowledge the answer is no at this point in time. And personally, I don't think I'd want to play Ark on console. Some games just seem way better suited to PC.



I totally agree with you though i would like to see what it's like on Ps4 and thank you for the welcome :)

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Re: PvP Cluster to Wipe on Retail Release

Post#20 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:04 pm

There is no real need to have scorched earth or the center.

Wyverns and griffins are the two dinos that players want, having so many servers really kills the pvp. If you ran the island and ragnarok it would give players more than enough ground.

The only time spawns were an issue was 6 months ago at the last wipe when we had 60 active players on one map, that is never going to happen again.

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