Open Discussion: Rules Review & Changes

[Swish]

I could write a whole spiel and note each item within the rules I disagree with but in the end any changes that you can implement that reduce your daily overheads is a positive.


I would personally like to see this server grow even more as a community, people in game have said “19 concurrent users is great, don’t worry about it” I don’t disagree but there’s an element of people who are clearly more advanced – call it technique, method or playtime who take pleasure in destroying people who have been here a week.
They’ll happily call it “fair pvp” but then these new starters are rarely seen to continue on the server, with little incentive to join in discussions like this and simply move on elsewhere to greener pastures.


I’d really like some clarity on hiding loot within walls. There’s one particular tribe who likes to hide loot inside locations you can’t see – you either need to physically approach and enter the wall or use the k-key to orbital camera. Munki do you consider this glitching or unfair against the rules you've defined?

[DrunkMunki]

I’d really like some clarity on hiding loot within walls. There’s one particular tribe who likes to hide loot inside locations you can’t see – you either need to physically approach and enter the wall or use the k-key to orbital camera. Munki do you consider this glitching or unfair against the rules you've defined?

if you can SS the loot in the walls and blow it to hell, then they have no excuse for damage being caused.
remember, get the Screenshot BEFORE you blow it up! .. same with Vaults, you shove everything close to a vaut, expect it to be destroyed.

If the glitch is within a structure it will be allowed as that structure can be demolished, but hiding in map glitches (bubbles or render issues of the land...) would be considered an exploit as you cant physically remove the map or gain entry in normal means ... so it wont be allowed

[Swish]

So to be clear, hiding loot in one of the many glitched map walls - that are intangible is considered exploitive?
I.e
From the outside it appears you can't enter the maps wall (like any other cliff, rock, surface in general) - however when you walk into it there's open space to lay a foundation and chest for example.

Much like hidden bases accessible by glitched walls; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHgn1Lym0Jc



I only ask as I have encountered this on the server in times past and thought it to be abuse, not a clever use of game mechanics.

[Ragnarok]

Can I get one rule clarified completely? You are allowed to blow foundations or whatever on a dino that has a platform on passive during a raid to check whether it has loot on it? The only stipulation is that you must use c4?

[DrunkMunki]

Can I get one rule clarified completely? You are allowed to blow foundations or whatever on a dino that has a platform on passive during a raid to check whether it has loot on it? The only stipulation is that you must use c4?

Minimal damage applies, killing the dino cause you spammed rockets at it is unacceptable ...

keep in mind i will be releasing reduced rules soon for community review, so this may change.

[DrunkMunki]

Below rules under consideration, CURRENTLY NOT ACTIVE
Please provide your feedback.
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Please make sure you read and fully understand the rules before playing as ignorance is not an excuse.

No cheating: This includes hacks, map glitches or bots (macros are okay).

Accounts: Only one forum account per user. No offensive names. Players cannot "impersonate" other tribes or players, if there is confusion its up to the player to publicly correct the problem in game chat.

PvP:

• PvP is 24/7 on this server, structure protection is only enabled to limit damage during the week.
• Players may attack other players over the level 20 unless the low level player initiated PvP and you can kill any level sleeping player.
• If a player is being hostile with a dino towards you, you have every right to defend yourself and kill that player and dino (even when its passive after killing the player)

Tribe Limits:

• You must not use alliances to skirt the Tribe max... e.g build your bases all together in 1 big compound, and must act independently, e.g 1 tribe leader telling the other tribe what to do..

Tribe Names:

• You shall not change your tribe name more than once within a 30day period, if you require the name to be changed you are required to get approval from the admin, due to raiders changing their names while raiding to hide who was causing it, any unauthorised changes will result in a permaban!
• Your tribe name cannot be offensive, contain advertising or include swear/vulgar words, this is a game (with kids who play) and those who dont take it seriously should go elsewhere,
  if you are unsure on the classification of your tribe name, contact DrunkMunki.

Player Names:

• Your player name cannot be something with derogatory terms, swear words ... this indicates you dont take this game seriously and are just here to troll ... if the admin feels the name is offensive it will be changed.
• Players shall not advertise using their player name or tribe name, this includes YouTube or Twitch addresses.

Hostages:
Definition: someone who is restricted on leaving area (Cage, weight, handcuffs...)

• Hostages are not to be tranq'd more than 50% (max 1hr) of the time.
• A hostage is to be only taken for up-to 2 hours, then must be released once the 2 hours has expired.
• You are not permitted to take the same player hostage for at-least 24 hours (but can be killed).
• If the tribe who detained the prisoner all log off, they must release/kill the player.
• Once you have a hostage, you are required to announce "_____ is now a hostage".. for example DrunkMunki is now a hostage..... this creates a public record of when the timer starts, failure to do this can result in a player choosing any of your dinos as compensation if the timer goes beyond 2hrs (proof required by prisoner).

Base Attack/Raid Rules:
The purpose of a raid is to steal supplies and information, not to take over a base or cause great harm. To this end when performing a raid the following rules are in effect:

• When attacking a base during a raid you may only cause the smallest amount of damage possible to get at what you need. Please note there may be collateral damage around Vaults, as this is unavoidable its not classified as excessive damage.
• A raid is considered started when the first structure within the targets base is destroyed (creating a log entry).
• A raid must not last longer than 4 hours (this is plenty of time to get what you need and leave).
• You are allowed to return to your base for resources and dinos to continue raiding within those 4 hours.
• You CANNOT raid the same tribe’s base twice within 9 days (give them a chance to rebuild).
• You may not turn dinos into shields to protect your base (e.g surrounding your base and putting on passive to prevent raiding). If you do this, that dino will be considered collateral damage and void of protection by these rules.
• Turrets are permitted to be on any setting but must be used to defend a base and not be used for harassment (scattering around the map), recommended having signs around base.
• If a tribe has multiple bases, each base can be raided only once that weekend, same structure cannot be re-raided until after 9 days.
• A base being open (doors open...) doesn't exclude it from any damage, it may allow easy of access but other factors (potential trap, hidden explosives, hidden turrets...) may result in damage to items within the structure.

Excessive Damage:
Definition: If a large portion of you base structure has been damaged; this varies from type of material (thatch, stone, metal) as stone bases will have more splash damage than metal, this definition will refer to metal bases as wood/stone bases require minimal effort to gain entry..

• Excessive damage is based on your base design, don’t build everything so compact people need to destroy your whole base to get into something, excessive damage won’t be applicable if your base is small, very cramped and contained.
• Excessive damage is for building structures only, does not include S+ tools such as smithy's, forges, storage (which auto lock).... recommended you keep them away from your main base as they can be destroyed.
• Boats and Tree Platforms have no protection under excessive damage and can be destroyed.

See below for comparisons

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Dino Restrictions:

• You must not encase a dino in structures (dino's that use platforms); due to base protection, this would make dino's invulnerable and waste ammo from turrets, you cannot build more than 2 structure levels below the saddle.
• You must not have automated turrets (powered or plant x) on dino platforms; as this would violate server rules when a turret attacks a passive dino, turrets are permitted on boats with any setting (make sure the boat isn’t near land where turrets can affect others).

Harassment/Griefing Rules:

• You must not repeatedly target a single player when they respawn, e.g camping at their front door and killing them repeatedly as soon as they come out or exit the boundaries of their base.
• Griefing is considered repeatedly harassing/killing someone over a 1 hour period.
• If a tribe, group, or individual is found to be constantly attacking then action will be taken.

Please refer to viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87 for more harassment information.

Volcano/Mountain: (TheIsland Map)

• Volcano at 42 (lat) / 39 (long) is off-limits for building, it can only be used for resource collection.
• PVP is not permitted inside the crater.
• You can build a mining outpost at the base of the mountain but not on the sides (or you can use a quetz for a mobile base).
• Dinos cannot be left alone at the volcano crater for no longer than an hour.

Passive Dinos:

• You may not pick up any other tribes dinos and place them in a position to be killed.
• You may not drop wild dinos into a tribe’s base.
• You may tranq/knock out dinos to loot/raid, but must NOT kill them (this also means putting the unconscious dino in a position where wild animals can kill it)
• You may not attack/kill dinos that are currently being tamed and are defenceless, or being hatched (eggs).

General:

• Due to structure protection; you must clean up after yourself, e.g removing spikes and taming pens no longer in use, this prevents others from using the land as they cannot remove the items themselves.
• Structures that are abandoned or made demolish-able maybe removed by players or the admin, this includes taming pens not near the tribe’s base. (please post on forum if you are going to be away, or message Drunk Munki)
• Building on obelisks or their respective craters is not allowed.
• Building in caves (land or underwater) are permitted so long as they do not block access to any unique resources such as artifacts or drops (caves without unique resources can be blocked for base usage).
• Placing foundations/pillars to claim land or to block mass amount of resource spawns is also disallowed and may result in your structure being removed or entire tribe’s structures wiped (if excessive).

Blackmail: If a player violates these rules against you or your tribe and it isn’t reported the moment you find out, or you choose to delay the report, you accept your report may be voided due to time factors; e.g if you are raided or your dinos are killed, you negotiate with the offenders (e.g a replacement dino) and for some reason they pissed you off and you report it, this will void the report as you accepted compensation.

Advertising: Players shall not advertise other servers, YouTube or Twitch addresses in game, if you need to share a TS that is fine as long as its related to general chat requests... advertising will result in an immediate ban.

Remember, this is a SURVIVAL GAME, shit will happen, things will be said ... at the end of the day its just a game.

These rules are specifically designed for this server, its stats and players feedback, it may not be reproduced without written approval from DrunkMunki, consider this information copyrighted.

[SmackDaddy]

The new proposed rules has my seal of approval good job Munki

[Swish]

Great stuff, really slim lined and doesn't leave much up to interpretation nor is it too hard to read at a glance.



If you could please check my latest post above and comment I'd really appreciate it - I don't feel I was clear initially with what I meant and this seems like a good time to iron it out.

[DrunkMunki]

If you could please check my latest post above and comment I'd really appreciate it - I don't feel I was clear initially with what I meant and this seems like a good time to iron it out.

i thought i was clear in viewtopic.php?p=2402#p2395
cant use map glitches but inside structures yes cause they can be destroyed

[Silversage]

Only one i can see getting abused is this:
A raid is considered started when the first structure within the targets base is destroyed (creating a log entry).

This allows them to Soak your turrets, kill your attack dino's and so on, then when you have nothing left they can destroy a structure and the raid begins, leaving them another 4 hours, Since Soaking is not raiding and killing attack dino's is PVP.